You stated at the end of our November 2, 2014 meeting that you were not a historian but that Just a quick thought on excommunication. She dares to say out loud what thousands of other people are only thinking to themselves hence the stake presidents admonition that she is strident, public and negative. (The excommunication letter also notes that she has used disparaging and vulgar language to state those opinions, and if we know anything, its that Mormon ladies must be nice and never, ever demean themselves and others with All. It may take time. refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false. If a disciplinary council were held for my asking questions, pursuing truth and defending my name, the church would show that it was speaking out of both Ivins then blindsides and shocks Runnells with his following email sent two hours later @ 9:36pm (screenshot): Bro. In fact, truth, The free flow of information and a healthy, balanced marketplace of information are, Free agency - supposedly the church's most cherished and foundational principle (after all, Heavenly Father lost 1/3, Runnells responds to Ivins' censorship demands, Runnells updates the public on latest with communications with Stake President Mark Ivins, Ivins ignores Runnells' clarification questions and tries to corner Runnells, Runnells tells Ivins that his understanding is incorrect as he is asking clarification questions about Ivins' demands, Ivins continues to ignore Runnells' clarification questions and sends Runnells another disciplinary council letter, Disciplinary council is set for April 17, 2016 @ 6pm. Out of curiosity, do they make those numbers public or do you have a source? I followed the counsel of my leaders and my patriarchal blessing to search for truth wherever it may be found. But the decision is made after the court meets. The only reason why cesletter.org exists is because I needed a centralized place to be able to provide my defense and responses to the various personal without challenge or to defend myself. well. Believing and claiming that homosexuals are as loved by God as heterosexuals, for example, will get you excommunicated. This is a copy of the letter which I sent out by mail to all active ward members in January 2011 just after notifying the Stake President of my resignation as Bishop of Helston Ward, Plymouth England Stake. "anti-Mormon lie.". Church members can be excommunicated if they apostatize from church teachings. But if you are truly concerned about that, you may choose to provide your response in writing. questions, it will be my privilege to work with you. If you are sincere in your expressed desire to keep your Church membership and to explore answers to your simply seeking official answers to church problems. Please let me know if you are willing to abide by these terms. Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision. | Enlighten the World. Excommunication is a disciplinary per the Church's definition. Sam Young, once a bishop in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has been excommunicated for criticizing the Mormon practice of sexually explicit "worthiness" interviews with young . This is especially true in light of my verbal and written promise and I have done nothing wrong. There is a great deal of legislation concerning common-law marriage, child custody, property ownership and contractual services. access the most up-to-date and accurate CES Letter as the original was before any of the church's essays. Later that day @ 2:45pm, CES Letter Foundation issues another press release announcing the postponement: The Mormon church accused Oliver Cowdery of Adultery and claimed he had joined . I believe President J. Reuben Clark when he said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. Instead of calling Ivins back, Runnells emails Ivins the following message @ 1:39pm (screenshot): I received your voice mail asking me to call you. From a predeliction towards 'adult beverages'??? Runnells' response to Ivins' above March 6, 2016 @ 8:19pm email is the following 11:45pm email (screenshot). I honestly don't think they care, though some of the others in the ward might. Although it may seem like a punishment, IMO it is an act of compassion. Many wonder if the By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. Apostasy would be one who flatly denies the divine nature of the Church or is antagonistic towards it. I would like to meet I trust that you will be honorable and On October 19th when I told you these facts, I was speaking in direct opposition against Joseph Smith and his character. disciplinary court on me: conduct a Temple Recommend interview. agency and the free agency of others, and to take our conversation away from the light of transparency and openness into the dark of secrecy and Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". The council will be held February 14th 2016 @ In 1841 the Mormons published a poem which stated "Or Book of Mormon not his word, because denied by Oliver". The very next morning President Ivins emailed Runnells to inform him that the Valentine's Day disciplinary council was rescheduled for March 20, 2016. the two of us. The church told you that you were not capable of knowing truth without first passing it through the filter of unaccountable old white men. This pattern has been disastrous for the church in the Age of Google After continued resistance from Ivins, Runnells reminded Ivins that Runnells had waited patiently for a year and a half for Ivins to get back to him and thus willingness to publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website. I'm not alone here. Are there certain things that are no longer approved to do like prayers, sacrament, talks etc? This directly contradicts the Book of Moses itself: "there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people" -Moses 7:8. with Church doctrine, updating and translating those concerns into different languages, etc. We had a gentleman's agreement over the phone when you called to meet on March 15th and you have now backed from your word by holding a disciplinary The truth crisis. A note dated 4 July 1840 preceded Phelps's letter in the letterbook. Seasons and Times, Vol 2, p482. "[3][13][14] Utah news station KUTV pointed to a survey that 57% of LDS Church members were troubled by high profile excommunications like Runnells, including 43% of temple recommend holders. I am morally clean, honest with my fellow men and I have a "[19] Runnells responded to the videos in a Facebook post, reposting a video calling them a "dishonest smear campaign". Point #1: Truth is unafraid of private or public scrutiny, questions, and debate. If no one volunteered any translations, I would not have bothered with it. I was floored when you called me on January 25, 2016 not to give me answers - as I was expecting - He is married with six children, according to a church profile. essay admits and disavows as "theories" originated by racist Brigham Young in 1852. This offer still stands today. It is worth bringing up current Church Historian Elder Steven Snow's comment again: "I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information. So cute, Sixpactr. A total time span of a year and a half. You tried again by announcing the now cancelled March 20th court on me without talking to me. Letter to William W. Phelps, 22 July 1840. Regarding my Letter to a CES Director and the website where it is currently posted: I originally wrote the Letter to a CES Director because the CES Director, a friend of my grandfather, directly requested that I communicate my It takes considerable time, effort, man hours, money and resources to contribute to the conversation in the Mormon marketplace of information. Runnells received a physical April 7, 2016 letter delivered by the Stake Clerk from President Ivins announcing a Disciplinary Court against Runnells to be I have asked you questions seeking understanding and clarification from you as to how you and the church justify your demands to censor me, obstruct my To say that I'm extremely disappointed and frustrated with your decision to hold a disciplinary council against me would be an understatement. But a letter has to be sent and actually hand delivered to the person in question (usually a member of the Bishopric or the HPGL or EQP, at times) so that they are aware of the court and have ample time to prepare. I'm pleased that I and everyone else involved, including the high council, will be able to spend time with our I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of - adultery, rape, spousal abuse, child abuse, child molestation, or whatever other despicable evils left to the When I had my faith crisis in early 2012, there were very little official answers from the Church to the questions and concerns raised in the CES Letter. The CES Director confirmed that he read the "very well-written" letter and acknowledged that these are issues "which Who's Performing at Trump's Inauguration. The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: See attached PDF for my detailed response to your April 7, 2016 disciplinary court letter. All As you know, we ended our November 2, 2014 meeting on a good recovering from and am half deaf. the Brethren are very concerned about" and he promised that he would provide a response. I was always curious as to what level a court is required. This is not and never has been my intention. - Elder Hugh B. This is a story about how the Mormon Church treated Jeremy T. Runnells - who had questions and concerns about LDS Church truth claims - in its multiple attempts to intimidate, silence, censor, and excommunicate him. A vigil for Jeremy Runnells is being organized on Sunday, February 14, 2016 @ 7:00 pm Mountain Time at the American Fork Utah East Stake Center. along with not including the church's essays. I will walk into this court on Sunday with my head held high, with a clear conscience, and a complete conviction that I have done nothing wrong. They refused to answer any and the first century C.E., long after Abraham lived." I handed my resignation letter to President Ivins just a few minutes ago. What you are asking me to do by taking down the "CES Letter website and any other related or similar websites, blogs, tweets, ect. - President J. Reuben Clark, "Some struggle with unanswered questions about things that have been done or said in the past." I trust that you will not ambush me with a disciplinary council on March 15th. I'm going to redact a bit of what I said before. As for your claim: "You have stated in the past that you had no desire to hurt the Church or its members. Can you answer my questions in CES Letter as promised by your CES Director? Related A professor at a Mormon university was asked to retract a pro-LGBT Facebook post. (screenshot): Dear Brother Runnells - Thank you for the email and the expression of your feelings regarding your current situation. and this one. action is needed or necessary. has became very clear to me that the church does not have answers to their truth crisis. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion, Mormon School Fired Professor for Pro-LGBT Online Post. 2. an organization withholds, obstructs, inhibits, and censors information - positive or negative - from its members. - Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director (also known as CES Letter), has been summoned to a disciplinary council You may appeal the decision of the disciplinary council to the First Presidency within 30 days. publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website.". I was extremely alarmed and disturbed by your actions on the week of February 8th with your claim that newly "additional information" demanded a CES Letter Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization whose mission it is to liberate and empower doubting LDS individuals and mixed-faith marriages. You took out your handbook and read the FairMormon made direct personal attacks on me, my integrity and my character in their response. this day as I am only interested in correct facts and information. FairMormon even lists more issues than the CES Letter does. CES Letter represents Runnells' sincere attempt to obtain answers to legitimate questions and doubts through proper church leadership channels. In response to criticism that the videos were mocking Runnells and other disaffected Latter Day Saints, FairMormon chairman John Lynch said, "We are not trying to mock the people who are affected by the 'CES Letter,' We are mocking the letter itself and signal to people that this is a deceitful document, not to be taken seriously. After scheduling the meeting with Stake President Mark Ivins' secretary, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily meets President Ivins for the very first time in Runnells replies back to Ivins' above email with the following 3:37pm email (screenshot): I can come in on March 15, 2016 @ 7:30pm. All I've wanted was the truth. When I sent the CES Letter to the CES Director in April 2013, the church had The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints excommunicated a prominent sex therapist on Wednesday, citing her criticism of the church and its leaders on social media. Jeremy later received, through his attorney, an April 20, 2016 confirmation letter from the LDS Church verifying his resignation: "I don't know how to repent of the truth. High Priest guy that everyone rolls their eyes to in Sunday School (every ward seems to have one). the 1st 6 cylinder car they made. other LDS approved sources that test and challenge testimonies. It was just You need to leave, again and again in various ways, with the doorkeeper even refusing to let anyone from the prayer vigil come in from the parking lot to use the restroom. accepted by Ivins. taken down and you will stop distributing your materials about the Church to others. But all of it is secondary to my unyielding love of the church. In response, Jeremy wrote what later became publicly known as the CES Letter (originally titled Letter to a CES Director). If you decide to do so, please send me a written statement specifying the alleged errors or unfairness in the procedure or decision. freedom of the investigator or member is obstructed and robbed. I would have thought that my email indicating a willingness to The following communications took place between October 19, 2014 to April 17, 2016. This was why I sought the help of the CES Director. goal has been to get official answers from the church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. Please answer my questions. issues threatening the church's foundational truth claims, many of which are confirmed and verified in the church's essays. Both creative science and revealed religion find their fullest and truest expression in the climate of freedom." And the 3rd question I asked you is: What question am I being punished for? Understand that good, sincere members who value truth will study church history from many sources - the members. [3][4] In 2012, he began to experience doubts over his faith. would be a grotesque injustice against me. [1][2] Runnells grew up as a seventh-generation member of the LDS Church with pioneer ancestry. just means you may spend a lot of time in court working out visitation, no actual marriage or divorce has to take place. Temple Recommend question. A Texas activist has been excommunicated from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after leading a public campaign against the church's practice of allowing leaders to privately question children about sex. I had no idea what you were talking about or accusing I no longer have access to the CHI, so I'm going from memory here a little bit, but probation is really up to the discretion of the Bishop as to the DOs and DON'Ts. Usually, and this isn't always the case, but usually, it means no prayers in church, no talks, no partaking of the sacrament, etc. I have seen some icing but no cake. Yesterday's historians and members with questions have been disciplined and excommunicated on accusations that they were "acting in opposition to the information is absolutely essential and paramount to the free agency of the individual. Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between I excommunicate the church from my life. Therapists spend years getting former members to be able to reach this degree of clarity regarding their relationship to unethical controlling groups. obstructs information from getting out to its members. If you allow yourself to be excommunicated, then the Church forever will claim that narrative in your life. Back row: Andy Parker. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints likes to keep its internal affairs private. - Book of Abraham. I felt they needed to know the truth about my resignation from myself, because rumours can & I wanted my church's answers and defense to very troubling facts I learned about Joseph Smith and the church's origins and Thanks for the laugh. Paperwork is filled out, the Bishop's actions/reasons/ recommendations filled in, and it is kept on file, and then filed with the Stake after everything is complete. And even later became an alcoholic, drug abuser, prescription forger. along with corrections were included in the document. The CES Director responded that he read the "very well written" letter and that he would provide Jeremy with a response. The bishop explained to me that he felt that anything more would have driven her away from the gospel. Once he did that he realized that those You ask: "Explain your seeking funding on the internet to address and develop new material related to your concerns that you have with Church Ivins also decided to keep the original gentleman's agreement to meet on March 15, 2016. The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest, the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid. I am aware that the The only power that the church has is the power you give them. censored due to the personal nature of the details and names of individuals, locations, and events involved. Date. As of right now, I am still a member in good standing (no discipline, disfellowship or excommunication). Who was the last person to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church? Since you are not in the U.S., you need to ascertain that information about your country. This event illustrates the problem: what you perceive as "opposition" and "anti-Mormon lies" are really church essays verified facts and church essays I have asked questions over and over for the last three years and a year and a half with the stake president and they have not answered one question. Display as a link instead, meeting.". allegiance from the beginning has been to truth, accuracy and transparency. . circulating on the Internet. I have offered leaders - both verbally and in writing - many times to publicly correct any mistakes or errors in the CES Letter I would appreciate you or other church leaders taking the time to answer my questions before calling a disciplinary council. In my letter that I handed to you in the beginning of our November 2, 2014 meeting, I wrote: "To the best of my knowledge, everything posted in the CES Letter and on my website is completely accurate and solidly based in Church history. Why isn't the church going after FairMormon for destroying Mormon testimonies on the Internet? If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." or "stay in the boat" or "God not Google" are not answers to the problematic facts that directly undermine and challenge the LDS Church's council: Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication: Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on You are asking me to remove my defenses against personal and dishonest attacks against my name, integrity and character. Mormon church leaders have restated the faith's unequivocal position against gay marriage in a letter to members in Argentina, where the government is debating whether to . situation with a family member in hospice care. Posted on Jun 18, 2014 This month (June 2014), two Mormons who have been critical of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints received letters from church officials threatening them with possible excommunication. So the real problem here is that the church has a problem with freedom of expression. But That way, we can avoid unnecessary If you can have your letter or email to me by March 10th, I will try to respond by March 15th. Clear editor. Answer (1 of 25): My ex-communication certified letter signature required was because I chose to live with my boyfriend (at the time/unmarried). Krista Cook. your website and other materials you have posted concerning the Church on the internet, are unwilling to stop trying to raise money for your endeavors I have painfully come to see for myself that the Mormonism of my youth is dead. free agency, transparency, and truth. It was a vicious Yesterday's "anti-Mormon lies" are now Another acquaintance was ex'd for a single adulterous affair 10 years previous to being called to be elders quorum president. I read booksa lot of the approved books. /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in church" simply by publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. In other words, by censoring and suppressing individuals like me who are contributing to the Mormon marketplace of information, the church is demonstrating Press J to jump to the feed. court letter. Goodbye. While I can understand and appreciate that point of view, President, my response is that it is not only an inaccurate perception but it is a simplistic one The intention of the website should not in any way be construed to exist for the purpose of hurting the Church or its All I've wanted was to resolve my doubts and concerns about the discrepancies of what I was attempting to excommunicate me on unfounded accusations. Front row: Jody England Hansen. Truth is often found in the most unexpected places. complete and full confidence in my interpreter to get it right. Resolve your doubts. No one has to take Jeremy's word on anything. the Mormon marketplace of information. priesthood leader. The room with the high council and stake presidency already inside was locked and Ivins had to tap to get the door opened. what's right rather than to do what's right at the expense of obedience. "Your Name. The LDS Church has chosen to continue its recent trend of excommunicating members who openly question or doubt LDS foundational truth claims. The essays are a welcome step forward in Below that lies the seven-man Presidency of the Seventy, which presides over the General Authority Seventies, who are referred to collectively as the Brethren and have church-wide jurisdiction. on the table, both positive and negative. Third, Ive never heard of a time limit being preset for a hearing. In the event that a disciplinary council is ever convened on your behalf, you will be given I am resigning because I absolutely resent and am disgusted by the LDS Church's and President Ivins' treatment toward me and their attempts to spiritually It means a lot. Photo by Jody England Hansen. Please let me know if there is anything I or other members of the stake can do to assist you and your family during this challenging time. I wanted to make sure that the church's essays refused to not only point out any errors or mistakes but you have never called me to repentance before attempting to hold not one but two now A few weeks later, President Ivins abruptly cancelled the March 20, 2016 disciplinary council. Natasha Helfer has become a prominent Mormon sex therapist because many people find her common-sense positions on issues like masturbation helpful and compassionate. 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