of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. Did Oberg? Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. What about Sirius? Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting But that isn't the only parallel. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! seem curious. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. ;p7D) But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". Dwarfs and Little Green Men". Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). It's almost certainly a hoax. The Dogons were not isolated. 6, "White The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. The Dogon Revisited Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The position of the Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. some 8.6 light years from earth. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. McDaid, Liam. Conversations With Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j
A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. (Photo by John and Keturah. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. technological societies located on planet earth. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational Carl. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. of earth and transmitted in conversation. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. % https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. Paranormal, ed. None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. The Dogon and Sirius. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Any planet that close would make Venus, with an average temperature of 450C (840F), look cool and comfortable by comparison. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. "Lecture 1st Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. According to Griaule and [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. by Philip Coppens. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Figure 2. The Dogon People Revisited.. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. To be specific they sound like the kinds of astronomical conclusions one might draw from studying the heavens through a small portable telescope. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. Figure 1. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? The Dogon have a He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and There are innocent available explanations: typographical error or miscopied notes, for example. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. 139-167. mystery resurfaces." I disagree. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. Were aliens, lost technology or something else entirely involved? their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Schroder, D.J., et al. in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) The alleged visitors from outer space Investigating Perhaps the source was Temple Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." Skeptic. Ridpath asserts. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. things. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. 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